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Big update for The Hunt folks: Hunt Showdown Update 1.3 Patch Notes- Xbox One & PlayStation 4 - May 19 From their Steam page: New AI Variations We have added two new AI variations to the game. You will now find the Grunt Doctor, who deals poison damage and drops a medical kit after being killed, and the Concertina Armored, covered in concertina wires causing bleeding damage, wandering in the swamps. New Time of Day: Sunset The Sun has set in the Bayou, a new time of day is here! You can now explore the swamps in brand new lighting. Depending on how you move through the Bayou, you can use the sun to gain an advantage over your enemies in a fight. New Equipment This update features two new weapon variants, the "Martini-Henry IC1 Marksman" and the "Mosin-Nagant M1891 Obrez Drum", a new tool, the "Decoy Fuses", as well as a new trait, ’’Levering”, allowing lever-action rifles to rapid-fire from the shoulder, giving the Winfield rifles a previously unseen new layer of tactical flexibility at close quarters. Weapon Changes The powerful Avtomat rocks a new look and gameplay rework this update, making it harder to control at range with a slightly increased rate of fire and more ammo drain. The update also adds a slight ear ringing effect when you unload your weapons too fast. Additionally, our current damage and projectile system sees a major balancing pass in 1.3 that helps some of the weaker ammo types to keep their damage better up to medium distance. More details can be found further below! Improved Death Screen and Lobby Update 1.3 brings a reworked partner inspection screen to the lobby where you are able to look at your fellow Hunters in more detail, as well as a new Death Screen, that additionally displays the enemy player’s hunter and their gear. New Legendary Content The Anniversary skin contest winner skin is finally here. We have also added a new Legendary Hunter as well as several additional Legendary Weapons. You can unlock those with Blood Bonds from the in-game menu. Make sure to check them out! AI Doctor Grunt New Grunt AI variation Carries a medical kit (similar to the ones players can find at resupply stations or randomly in the world) on his back that he drops when killed. Wields a rusty bone saw that causes poison damage. Concertina Armored New Armored AI variation. Fully entangled in concertina wire, this Armored causes bleeding damage when a Hunter gets too close. More resistant to melee attacks in general. Less resistant to all types of bullets. Audio Hunter Footsteps Adjusted the pitch of footsteps to sound slightly higher for teammates and slightly lower for enemies compared to Player footsteps. Branches Slightly increased the audible distance of breaking branches that can be found in forest areas. Arsenal Mosin-Nagant M1891 Obrez Drum An Obrez variant that features the 15 round drum magazine known from the Avtomat variant on this classic bolt-action. With a 15/0 ammo pool, total ammunition remains the same however, the Obrez Drum does not need to be reloaded during a fight. Available in the Mosin-Nagant M1891 unlock tree within the Book of Weapons, found between the Mosin-Nagant Sniper and Mosin-Nagant Avtomat variants. Henry-Martini IC1 Marksman A Martini-Henry variant with an attached medium-sized marksman scope for increased ranged capabilities. Available at the end of the Martini-Henry unlock tree in the Book of Weapons. Decoy Fuses New tool with three charges. Mimics a lit explosive when thrown, but does not explode or deal damage after its fuse time. Can be used to deceive opponents and flush them out of cover. Can be used to break stalemates by pushing into seemingly hazardous positions. New unlock option for the Deception tree in the Book of Weapons. Levering Trait A new trait that allows lever-action rifles like the Winfield series to rapid-fire when aiming from the shoulder. Hard to control, but allows shots to be fired at a staggering rate of fire. Levering gives additional flexibility in close range to stand your ground against Shotguns and other rapid-fire weapons. Like "Fanning" for single-action revolvers, Levering does not work when aiming down sights (ADS). Gunplay Reworked Chaos Bomb patterns and added more weapon sounds for it to be more likely interpreted as real gunfights. Improved handling of successive heavy melee attacks for some bayonet and talon variants. Improved handling of successive heavy melee attacks for the crossbow. Systemically - just like with Levering - Fanning now also causes slightly increased crosshair spread bloom compared to when firing it normally. Consistency pass made on the time it takes to get 100% accuracy when entering scope view across all aperture, deadeye, marksman and sniper weapon variants. Derringer, Throwing Knives, Decoys and Blankfire Decoys are now 100% refilled when their tool slot is randomly chosen for resupply upon looting a dead Hunter or using an Item Box. All other items still only receive one extra use per interaction. Reduced the stamina cost for Heavy Attacks with the Knuckle Knife to allow 6 instead of 4 heavy attacks Damage-Drop Rework Balancing pass for weapon projectiles that increases damage-retention over distance based on bullet type: In general damage drop curves have been smoothened out, resulting in most projectiles losing less damage as they travel. Compact Bullets have seen the biggest boost, most notably the Winfield rifles, retaining their damage much better at medium to long-distance also resulting in overall increased effective range for headshot kills. New Compact Pistol Bullet and Medium Pistol Bullet sub-classes have been introduced to better help balance rifles vs. handguns using the same Compact or Medium ammo class. So far this was only the case for Long ammo with the Uppercut, which has a stronger damage drop over distance than Long ammo rifles in comparison. The new pistol variants help ensure that the headshot range boost does not go through the roof for handguns for those cases where we want to boost rifles. Powerful handguns like the Uppercut and Dolch now receive a stronger competition at short to medium distances as they remain largely unchanged when it comes to damage per shot or headshot range compared to their smaller cousins. Developer Note:The rework of how projectiles lose damage over distance is a pretty big change, touching most of the weapons in the arsenal in one way or another. However, the actual gameplay changes should be pretty minimal for the majority of these weapons, and only affect those we actually want to boost. The weapons we wanted to benefit the most from this balancing pass are the Winfield rifles and the Nagant M1895 Officer Carbine to boost Compact bullets, as well as the Vetterli Karabiner 71 and Springfield 1866 rifles for Medium bullets. All of these weapons will most noticeably have an increase in their two-tap chest shot capability, which in the case of the Winfield goes from around 25m up to 40m+ meters, making that weapon overall a lot stronger short to mid-range. Headshot range is also buffed quite a bit, placing the Winfield where the Vetterli was before, and the Vetterli going up to long distances of 150m+. As a secondary goal, most Compact ammo handguns see a slight boost, but that is most noticeable with increased chest shot damage and extra headshot range as well, moving them to where the Winfield was positioned prior. Due to the systemic nature of these balancing changes, most Compact, Medium and Long bullet weapons see a change in some way, except for shotguns, which remain untouched! The detailed list of headshot range changes can be found below. The Winfield has been struggling to find its place in the meta, being at an awkward spot and getting a lot of pressure from shotguns, semi-automatics, and fanning pistols at short-range as well as being outclassed - damage-wise - by long rifles at longer distances. It was very easy to either push away from a Winfield and fight at range or to close the gap and push in with rapid-fire weapons or shotguns at short-range. By combining the projectile changes with the new Levering trait, we hope that Winfield rifles start living up to their reputation as flexible weapons again. The Winfield rifles can arguably be considered as the first "assault rifles" in history, excelling in a number of different combat scenarios and being a true jack of all trades that complements the other more specialized weapons of the era in the Hunters' arsenal nicely. Bornheim No.3 and all its variants have their effective headshot ranges increased from 55m to 60m Bornheim No.3 and all its variants have their damage increased from 65 to 74 Caldwell Conversion Pistol and its Chain Pistol variant have their effective headshot ranges increased from 65m to 84m Caldwell Conversion Pistol and its Chain Pistol variant have their damage increased from 80 to 104 Caldwell Conversion Uppercut has its effective headshot range decreased from 99m to 96m Caldwell Pax and its Claw variant have their effective headshot ranges increased from 74m to 86m Dolch 96 and its Precision variant have their effective headshot ranges increased from 75m to 86m LeMat Mark II has its effective headshot range increased from 63m to 79m LeMat Mark II has its damage increased from 75 to 97 Nagant M1895 and its Precision and Deadeye variants have their effective headshot ranges increased from 58m to 73m Nagant M1895 and all its variants have their damage increased from 70 to 91 Nagant M1895 Silencer has its effective headshot range increased from 37m to 56m Nagant M1895 Officer and its Brawler variant have their effective headshot ranges increased from 58m to 73m Nagant M1895 Officer and its Brawler variant have their damage increased from 70 to 91 Nagant M1895 Officer Carbine has its effective headshot range increased from 65m to 92m Nagant M1895 Officer Carbine has its damage increased from 80 to 104 Sparks LRR Silencer has its effective headshot range increased from 94m to 144m Sparks LRR Silencer has its damage increased from 136 to 149 Vetterli 71 Karabiner and all its variants have their effective headshot ranges increased from 95m to 167m Springfield 1866 and all its variants have their effective headshot ranges increased from 150m to 175m Winfield M1873C Silencer has its effective headshot range increased from 39m to 81m Winfield M1873C and all its variants have their damage increased from 85 to 110 All other Winfield M1873 variants have their effective headshot ranges increased from 67m to 95m Winfield M1873 and all its variants have their damage increased from 85 to 110 Nitro Express Rifle has its effective headshot range increased from 95m to 250m (one hit kill capability from an upper torso hit is now around 43m instead of 48m) Derringer has its damage increased from 65 to 74 Weapon Ear-Ringing Firing your weapons excessively can cause temporary hearing impairment. The loud gunfire stresses your ears and thus produces a ringing effect that will last for a few seconds. This is intended as a soft-counter mechanic to spamming Avtomat, Dolch, fanning pistols, levering repeaters, or using other rapid-fire weapons, making you possibly miss some sounds around you or making it harder to keep track of enemy movements while suffering from ear-ringing. The intention is to encourage players to fire their weapons with careful aim and consider their shots instead of spamming. Avtomat Rework The Mosin-Nagant M1891 Avtomat has been re-imagined with an updated look and has also been rebooted gameplay-wise. Increased rate of fire from 400rpm to 545rpm. Increased the minimum amount of bullets fired per burst from 2 to 3. Reduced weapon handling by making recoil harder to control during rapid fire. Reduced initial accuracy when fired from the shoulder. When firing a 3-shot burst and force-swapping weapons to cancel firing, the remaining bullets from that burst are lost to avoid players trying to snipe with the weapon. Reduced the cost slightly (see further below in the Store section). Developer Note:The Avtomat has always been a controversial weapon. Some love it, some hate it, or feel it has no place in the game. For us, it is an interesting weapon nonetheless, because it brings something to the table that no other weapons in Hunt's 1895 arsenal provide: Automatic fire. In reality, machineguns were not uncommon at that time, but in the context of Hunt's gameplay, it is quite challenging to balance as it is the only weapon of its kind and usually goes up against much slower firing designs. With this update, we made a couple of changes to how the gameplay works using the rifle. We want to make the weapon harder to operate with a stronger ammunition drain and increased recoil, while still keeping it devastating in the right hands. The new Avtomat works best up to medium distances of 50 meters, where you have a good chance to place 2 hits on an enemy in a short tap burst. Firing over longer distances is possible of course, but players will have to fight the recoil much more aggressively and most of the time can be lucky to score a single hit per burst. Here is where the ammo drain will become noticeable the most, as the new three-round burst pattern will mean you can do that a meager five times before you run dry. At close range, the changes to the weapon are a bit more mixed: On one hand, the weapon shoots faster allowing you to pour rounds downrange at a faster speed, but on the other hand, it is less controllable overall as that recoil now hits you at a faster interval as well. We hope that the Avtomat will be seen more as just another powerful choice in the end-game arsenal, just like the Auto-5, Dolch 96 and Nitro Express Rifle, they each come with some balancing drawbacks that allow other weapons to challenge them when exploiting their respective weaknesses. Where the Nitro's weakness is mostly its limited ammo, and the Auto-5's weakness is its limited range, the Avtomat has both of these weaknesses to a certain extent, but still allows for a more tactical deployment in the field overall. Store Bornheim No.3 Increased price from $96 to $201 Bornheim No.3 Extended Increased price from $131 to $306 Bornheim No.3 Match Increased price from $119 to $224 Mosin-Nagant M1891 Avtomat Reduced price from $1500 to $1250 New Weapon Added: Mosin-Nagant M1891 Obrez Drum Added for $350 New Weapon Added: Henry-Martini IC1 Marksman Added for $173 New Tool Added: Decoy Fuses Added for $60 Meta News Feed (Coming Soon!) A new banner in the lobby has been added to highlight important news and announcements to the players. The News Feed will inform players about the following items: New Releases (content updates, DLC, etc.). Community updates (blogposts, etc.). Sales events and special promotions. Maintenance Mode warning. Legendary Ruleset Changes: When first unlocking a legendary Hunter, players will automatically recruit a free version into their roster. In case the roster is full already, a temporary extra slot will be added which is removed once any Hunter dies and frees up a slot again. Players can now recruit any legendary Hunters into their roster as often as they like. Players can now buy any legendary equipment with the same limitations as for regular equipment. Every Hunter can have any legendary gear, even if other Hunters already use the same items. New Legendary Weapons: Added Caldwell Conversion Chain Pistol "Hedera Mortiferum" - 0 Blood Bonds (free for all players!) Added Cavalry Saber "Mot Juste" - 400 Blood Bonds Added Martini-Henry IC1 "Long Hand" - 400 Blood Bonds New Legendary Hunters: Added "Redneck" - 500 Blood Bonds Performance Optimized the Banishment assets Optimize character spawning (first character spawn stall) Due to remote work we are currently unable to provide a comprehensive list of Bug fixes. The correct list will be provided later on this week. Stability Client can occasionally crash during gameplay. Clients can crash on resolution change. Players may sometimes experience desyncs / rubberbanding issues during gameplay. Visuals & Audio Texture / asset streaming is slow sometimes. Changing and applying another Audio Output Device in Options doesn't work. Lantern Oil puddle does not have burning audio. Breathing audio can get stuck on player when crouching, sprinting or jumping In rare cases, players might see a permanent ghosting effect on the skybox. Decoy and Ammo Box shadows float around the player in first person after using them. The last selected Tool or Consumable's shadow is stuck on players hand in first person. Fog is partially not rendered when observed through gaps. Gameplay & AI If a hunter joins without his primary weapon slot equipped, he/she can't pick up looted weapons from dead enemy hunters. Poison Bomb doesn't kill ravens and ducks. Meathead attack can deal too much damage. Assassin and Spider can get stuck sometimes. Looting a Hunter in Quickplay can sometimes give no loot at all. Quad derringer ammunition goes directly into the chamber when interacting with an item box. Damage to Assassin with explosives ( Sticky Bomb ) is inconsistent. Ammo replenishment of quad derringer doesn't work correctly in Quickplay. UI Summary screen can show negative XP as total instead of 0. Challenge progress only gets displayed after the challenge count got updated. Numbers on Profile view can be cut off. Replacing a consumable with another one won't jump to next free slot . Outline of team mate changes from blue to red when getting close to revive. Equipment bar numbers don't always get updated for the quad derringer after interacting with an item box . Two HUD indicators for bullets from quad derringer get displayed when replenishing it . Boss token icon is flickering and doesn't stay in position when moving camera . Inspect icon in lobby screen picture switches every time the inspect window gets opened. HUD instantly disappears when switching from/to the LeMat in shotgun mode. Missing the "+" icon when unlocking a new weapon in book of weapons. Quickplay screen doesn't update on region switch. Bounty indicator lines may be wrong after some bounty extracted. Player can get stuck when accepting an invite while in the tutorial summary screen. When killed as last player in quickplay, "You are the only survivor" banner is shown . Death Screen Crossbow (and variants) are displayed empty on the death screen (no bolts) . Glass from bottles aren't visible. Numbers on Profile view can be cut off. Damage history shows any damage that you made to yourself as "killed yourself". Health regen is calculated ( subtracted ) from damage values in damage history. Damage history often accumulates damage when ping / packet loss is high.
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That is the best clip for a long time! Love it! 😂😂
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I'm resurrecting this thread cos why the fuck not. Samuel L. Jackson has said "motherf*cker" at least 171 times in 27 different movies.
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Noooooooo! Btw, how on earth have you not got a bigger hard drive by now?! @Plumbers Crack thanks for granted me access to Officer thingy. I can see how easier it is to invite friends off the friends list. @G_dub52 , i sent one to Tony too and i'm pretty sure I pressed it on Bob too. @Baabcat whats Charlie's PSN ID again?
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Great move James, that's a top idea!
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We've finally got back in the groove again with raids 2 or 3 Scourge of the Past runs were done - no anarchy for Chad @Riff Machine or Ajay. Very slick now so i'd say its one of those raids to definitely try out once anyone wants to. A Last Wish riven boss phase and heart run got done earlier in the week too. I think its been far too long to run this raid as its a bloody good one, albeit slightly longer than expected. PvP wise, wrecking the comp with Chad and Forty. You see Chad, you spent all this time shouting donkeydick at Crucible and actually when you're put into the fire, you aced it 😎 I managed to get my Mountaintop last night, keeps my triumph score ahead of Clive @Teenwolf25 , just to make him feel he still has some form of competition 😎 Heroic Menagerie is now on the menu too everyone - great to help Clive get his Shadow seal. Maybe we can help a few people get some triumphs done on there if anyone needs them? Whilst the main seasonal stuff has died down, we should use this time to practice raids when we can. Shout up if theres specific ones we want to try. I'm sure Justin @FallenDark200 can help our sorry asses learn it if Renegade Raider, Clive isn't about 👍
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Terrible evening last night on quads but it sure gave us lolz, so we won the night anyway 🤪 Best of all, whilst @Mikepjbell , @LordBaguette and me ran down the hill @Misneach_ Matty got stuck at the top of the damn. Enter hero of the hour Mike with a chopper to save his sorry ass...only for him grate his body down the hill with helicopter 😂. Tom, I really hope you have that clip still! We won't talk about results, didn't fancy killing anybody last night anyway.
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Advice for a young gamer - Wireless Headset
GazzaGarratt replied to GazzaGarratt's topic in Hardware
I find A50s to be immense at listening to whatever it is, music, films, etc so I dont expect A20s to be much different. I'd love to get my son some for later in the year for his bday. I've passed on the messages on this thread so I'll see what he ends up getting -
That's some seriously tricky quest steps there Philly 😬 Shame that theres that many bugs, have they remade them for console? You usually find less bugs on there.
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New Quiz Available!FG Gaming Pub Quiz No.1
GazzaGarratt replied to GazzaGarratt's topic in General Gaming Discussion
Tbf, I didnt either but I cant take it for obvs reasons! 🤣 Hope you're all enjoying these! It takes a while to do but I enjoy looking back seeing who's got what! 👍 -
Forever Gaming's 'Feel Good' Fund
GazzaGarratt replied to GazzaGarratt's topic in Site info and announcements
It's been a while since I've posted here, which i'm always trying to put more time into but we've all gone through a hard time at FG with the world being in a weird funny old state, so it's understandable stuff has had to wait. But we will wait no more!! 😎 A few awesome things have been happening to people and have already received some Feel Good surprises which i'm sure you'll agree is nice to hear about. @Middle Class Caveman was in need of a monitor in his new found life with the baby and received an awesome PC monitor from the sexy @phil bottle Our Video Masterblaster @tronic44 made an incredible solo montage video for rampant @IRaMPaGe - go take a look at it after reading this thread - here! Our crazy Scotsman @Nutcuttlit received a beautiful copy of Wreckfest on PS4 as a token of our appreciation working through these hard times Current Batman (and Michael Caine) @Riff Machine received a few Canadian PSN vouchers to support Season Pass stuff for Wreckfest and the latest games - much deserved after a challenging year for our big-hearted resident rockstar bud Clive @Teenwolf25 has supported the FG Destiny few for a long time now and the gift of Titans - an FG Mug and a few FG stickers to boot @tronic44 couldn't make the Hereford October event we had so it was justified that he too received an FG Mug masterpiece with logo stickers A bunch of people have got little Logos for themselves from me and now the talented @Greboth is serving up even better ones with his fabulous fingers - make sure you go see his thread after this one - here! We also have a number of things heading out and should be received across the next days and weeks - for the likes of @techno @Misneach_ @Kemp210 @bluffin109 @Baabcat @Venom @J&B @Spacedeck @J4MES OX4D and a few more up our sleeves too when we get the chance. Please, PLEASE remember, we can not do this without all of you supporting FG through donating when possible to put some smiles on people's faces. If we can keep on getting a few quid here and there from everyone, just like the few people that have set a regular chip-in, it will not only help support the bills we have to maintain (and continue to rise) but we will always use anything spare to try and find different things to make people 'Feel Good' from the good old FGFGF. Whenever you get anything, whatever it is, post it up. We'd love to see what it is and i'll report back once there is an update so you all know what FGers got. Keep making people and FGers 'Feel Good' everyone 😎❤️ P.S. Donation button is on the website homepage but you can also PM me for further details 👍 -
Only if the others want to. There is an underground lair in that mansion so it would be cool to connect them together don't you think?
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It was intense and batshit crazy but bloody good fun Rich! I've never seen a horde night like it and it's the first time I've had to use the guns we've ever sourced. It was brutal; birds swooping down at us, vomit being sprayed up at us on the along the walls, zombies climbing on each other breaking the entire building. We'd had a night of it already and then we looked at the time and it wasnt even midnight 🙈 I'm starting to get the hang of the game now. Bloody good fun and I'm still holding onto that big huge pipe dream to tunnel us all the way to that mansion!
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I'm with your thoughts on the trailer but it'd be good to see more gameplay and understand what differences there are between this and Skyrim
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Renovation In Da house - FG Update
GazzaGarratt replied to GazzaGarratt's topic in Site info and announcements
There's a paintbrush button in the menu bar at the top. When you change the colour, it then gives you a reset button to put it back to what our main colour is. You wont see the menu bar changing size because on a tablet there's enough space. -
Renovation In Da house - FG Update
GazzaGarratt replied to GazzaGarratt's topic in Site info and announcements
Ah that's great to know, you see I've never changed the colour myself and seen that refresh button on mobile. I can reduce those I believe so it doesnt do that. That's something that I believe is linked to this theme. It's different to some weve had before but takes less space up than the previous Dreadnought theme. This feedback helps though mate, so much appreciated!! -
Renovation In Da house - FG Update
GazzaGarratt replied to GazzaGarratt's topic in Site info and announcements
You're not being a wet blanket mate, just giving honest feedback! It would help to know what bits are more messier than others so we can understand turns ppl off and on. In terms of forums, they havent changed and the menu options are virtually the same too so would be interested to know what bits arent as striking as others Brede 👍 -
This in a nutshell. Just said it in your PPR that people wanted something different for years but still felt CoD and this is it. Sure, theres a few bad maps that invoke some boring play but I don't think theres that many bad maps at all. The only thing hugely negative I feel about this game is the word Piccadilly. Even if @Diddums did work in that building.
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The Kriss SMG looks the most impressive and based on how that gun performs in other games it holds high regard. Although I hope we can get decent extended mags with the first 2 high rate of fire SMGs. Totally need a new Marksman rifle in the game. From my games in Warzone, we need an extra bit of variety to the long distance game. Weird if they pull the APC put of the whole game though if it's already been found dropping via glitches in game?
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Looks great but as @BO7H B4RRELS Tommy says, Ive never played them and never seen the pull - but I dont like gangster films so maybe it comes from that.
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I had tons which were purely down to my internet at the time. The only thing I've seen is that in Warzone you always seem to hit horrendous lag for the first game you play. It's like it needs time for you to be stabilized in the game. What tests have you done on your internet?
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Agree Gary, the perks are the killer punch atm like most games. This is the golden nugget right here and why people shit all over this is beyond me because theres always a finite amount of gun types. They have to be careful though as if they too many flash weapons in the first season post this change, we'll be in a state where we just use the next best gun for a year when really they need different activities that should pull on different weapons. Black Armory albeit a grindy season still has developed an array of top quality weapons on offer. Yeah, I can see why you say this - but I think this was purely down to far fewer Exotics were available and the drop was extremely low for exotics. We already have around the same number of exotic weapons on offer in D2 that were ever developed in D1 (50).
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I can kind of see where you're coming from Bobby, but they won't be sunsetting every single possible weapon and the larger problem you have right now is that there's so much to do and none of it matters because, exhibit A: Recluse wrecks everything in every single activity. Human behaviour is a bitch to get around and unfortunately can't just hope that players will just 'try out' similar weapons. Majority of players find their top gun and never switch. It frustrates me that they do this because i think there's many other viable options but you can't argue with them if the gun works for the activities they are doing. The power grind for me is a red herring these days. Everybody still focuses on the big number when they are struggling what next to do (believe me, i do exactly that too) but Power is so easy to get now from multiple activities, people should start looking at the game and do the activities they enjoy. @Teenwolf25 and I were talking for ages about doing Niobe Labs challenge. Not because of any of the loot - you just get an emblem for your troubles. But its the challenge and fun we'd get out of just completing it is way more special (and the emblem actually is pretty cool still). To bring players back they need incentive and that means loot in the vast majority of instances. But making new weapons more powerful than the best ones out there now would literally destroy the game. Like Bungie stated, no game can make this work. I actually for once give them credit for being a bit more blunt and rather than vague and nice. The game can't go on with the same guns at the top forever. Oh, don't forget, you can still use those weapons in 80% of the activities. It does divide opinion though this change, thats for sure.