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I see where you're coming from, but I don't think it's fair to equate value and quality. Just because a game only lasts five hours doesn't mean it isn't a high quality game. It might not be worth $60 to you, but that doesn't automatically make it a bad game. I've never played Heavy Rain, but I always hear it spoken very highly of (Jason could tell us more). However, due to the nature of the game, I also hear it's not something you play more than once. That doesn't diminish the quality, though.

Maybe not, but aren't you still trying to win?

Yeah, I'm going to wait until it's around 20 bucks to try it out.

Some guy on the Destiny forums claimed to have taken down Crota using only Thorns.

You can see your K/D in the app or at Bungie.net. I'd actually argue that K/D is more significant in Destiny than it is in CoD since every game mode is just a version of TDM.

I thought it was always supposed to come out this year

Rewards are going to be a problem for PVE events too. What can they offer that a level 32 with all raid weapons would want?The only thing I can come up with would be the opportunity to upgrade or reforge weapons.

A lot of people could learn from you

Lol, you guys do remember that the Queen's Wrath wasn't new content, right? Story missions with the epic modifier and some bounties that were even more grindy than normal, all for some mediocre gear. What was so special about it?

You just described most games

I think that's the new Street Fighter

Million Million when I was using Light Beyond Nemesis God of War with Obsidian Mind Polar Oak on my Titan, it looks sick

Anyone want to raid tonight? I can start at 9 EST or later. Either raid is fine; I'd like to get weapons from VoG still, and I hit 31 last night so I'm ready to take a shot at Crota again.

1. Modern Warfare 2 2. Call of Duty 4 3. Advanced Warfare 4. Modern Warfare 3 5. Black Ops 2 6. Ghosts 7. Black Ops Haven't played the others enough to rank them, or haven't played them at all.

So how are you going to blame him when it's not his fault?

You realize Deej has no say in what actually happens, right?

Looking forward to trying out shotguns after a much-needed buff. Time to dust off the Invective...

There's no reason for it to get nerfed.

https://www.bungie.net/7_Destiny-Weapon-Tuning/en/News/News?aid=12557 From the desk of Sandbox Designer Jon Weisnewski: Hello, Guardians. What you’re about to read is a heads-up about some upcoming changes to the weapons in Destiny, scheduled to go live in February with Update 1.1.1. This is the result of listening to feedback from the community, observation of players in the wild, poring over user research data, and regular internal playtests. Many of these changes are subtle. It may take a little while to feel the nuanced differences, or you may feel the changes immediately. It all depends on how you play. This is an opportunity to change up your combat strategy in new ways, and/or double down in the areas that still feel good to you. AUTO RIFLES It’s our goal for the Auto Rifle to be a visceral, close-to-medium range chainsaw. It should reward target tracking, and drop in effectiveness at longer ranges. Looking at raw DPS [damage per second], the Auto Rifle is the most lethal primary weapon class across all of Destiny’s activities. Here’s a breakdown of kills by Primary archetype for the top players [filtered to focus on the top-half of the scoreboard] in Destiny. That’s not just Suros. If you look at the top ten lethal weapons over a period of thirty days, six of them are Auto Rifles. Note the spike in SUROS starting on 1/13 - likely due to the Iron Banner Auto Rifle bounty. The ratios stay relatively consistent for non-Suros autos when Iron Banner is not in session. It’s extremely effective in most combat scenarios and engagement distances. In fact, it is so effective that it’s intended role in the Primary family is being partially obscured. We want you to be able to deliver a steady stream of precision damage with an Auto Rifle, and you still can, but you’ll need to get a little bit closer. Goals: Auto Rifle is optimal at close to medium range Damage, Stability, and Range are tuned such that players desire Stability for reliable close quarters damage, or Range for better accuracy at a distance Changes: Reduce base damage of Auto Rifles by 2.5% (averaged across Rate of Fire stats, higher RoF took less of a reduction than low RoF) Reduce effective range values so that damage falloff and accuracy are a stronger factor in combat decisions Range reduction is less severe in the higher stat values, so now your range stat is more critical to long distance engagements PULSE RIFLES The Pulse Rifle is the spiritual middle ground between full-auto and semi-auto weapons, delivering lethal bursts at a forced pace. The right combat rhythm rewards both target tracking and precision shooting. Here are those same graphs again: Pulse Rifles are currently the least used across all of the Tower’s warriors. We want to push these weapons to become a more compelling choice. Goals: Pulse Rifle is optimal at medium range, but can still effectively harass enemies at close or long range distances Rate of Fire sets a pace for players to both track moving targets, and then deliver precision damage in bursts Changes: Increase base damage of Pulse Rifles by 9.7%. DPS is now more in line with other primaries HAND CANNONS Hand Cannons are intended to be the ideal weapon for precision-minded players on the move. Our goal is that they are ideal at close to medium range. They reward the calm hand that can pace shots under chaotic combat situations. The rounds hit like a truck so you shouldn’t need to fire fast to be effective. Right now, the Hand Cannons work as advertised, but they’re a little too effective at longer ranges. We’re finding that players get very comfortable hanging back and using the Hand Cannon like a Scout Rifle or a Sniper Rifle. With these new changes, you can still hit targets at long range, but the shots need to be paced out and the damage will be lower until you close in on your target. Goals: Hand Cannon is optimal at medium range Hand Cannon is optimal when shots are paced, becomes less effective when fired quickly Rewards agility when under fire, precision targeting, and snap shots Changes: Reduce effective range Damage falloff starts closer to the shooter, and follow up shots are less accurate at long ranges Slight reduction to initial accuracy This is unnoticeable at close to medium range, but underscores the range intentions when used from far away FUSION RIFLES Fusion Rifles are one of the most contentious weapons in the PvP arena right now. They’ve been largely untouched since Destiny launched and it has been great to watch the community slowly adopt these weapons and understand how to use them effectively. Currently, they are the most hotly unliked weapon to be killed by. On the other end of the feedback spectrum, they are supremely satisfying guns to kill with. It is pretty easy to find and build a Fusion Rifle that can push the range limits and land one hit kills and/or massive damage from pretty far away. Furthermore, in The Crucible it is not difficult to depend on a steady stream of special ammo so that players rarely have to pick and choose the right time to use this weapon. Our changes address these issues and leave the overall feel and function of Fusion Rifles intact. Goals: Fusion Rifles are optimal at mid-range, where targets are easier to track but they’re not close enough to attack while you charge up Requires combat foresight and the ability to predict a target’s movement to use successfully Changes: Blast pattern on a Fusion Rifle burst cone is a little wider Close to medium range volleys are largely unaffected, but at a distance the projectiles are less likely to land hits on a single target This reduces the reliability of landing a one hit kill at far range, and makes the weapon better at spreading damage into a group Initial starting ammo is reduced across all ammo stats. This is change primarily affects The Crucible Starting a Crucible match, you’ll have less Fusion Rifle ammo in reserve In PvE activities we persistently track your ammo. We only use initial ammo values if you are logging in for the first time, or starting a Crucible match SHOTGUNS Shotguns are the close quarters king. These are the weapons you need to eliminate anything that is directly in your face. The role of the Shotgun has been well established in the shooter genre for a long time now. For Destiny, we have some interesting data from the field: A very high amount of players use Shotguns in PvP, and almost no one uses them in PvE. In PvE activities, the reward of a close quarters Shotgun attack on any non-grunt enemy doesn’t give you enough of a damage spike to warrant using this weapon. Like the Fusion Rifles, in the Crucible it’s not difficult to find a Shotgun that is very lethal at some unexpected ranges. Some of the higher range values have been pulled in to help eliminate long distance Guardian one shots. We’ve also seen that the Crucible ammo economy allows for players to use Shotguns with wild abandon. So, like the Fusion Rifle, we’ve made a reduction to initial starting ammo. Goals: Shotgun is the most optimal at very close range Complements melee attacks and other close quarters class builds Offensively closing on an enemy with a Shotgun is a risk/reward timing game Changes: Increase damage by 2x (100%) against all non-Guardian combatants (aliens) Reduce high end range values - damage falloff starts sooner, so Crucible players with long range shotguns need to be a little closer for successful one hit kills (Like the Fusion Rifle) Initial starting ammo is reduced across all ammo stats in the Crucible: Starting a Crucible match, you’ll have less Shotgun ammo in reserve In PvE activities we persistently track your ammo We only use initial ammo values if you are logging in for the first time, or starting a Crucible match SCOUT RIFLE, SNIPER RIFLE, HEAVY MACHINEGUN, ROCKET LAUNCHER For the most part, these weapons have not been changed as a part of this update. However, changes to the Destiny arsenal mean that untouched weapons may now seem different in side by side comparisons. You may discover new reasons to start using some of these weapons as part of your combat strategy. "Why did you “nerf” my favorite weapon? Why not make the other ones better and leave mine alone?" Good question! Here’s why: We pay close attention to kill times in all game modes against all combatant types. If we brought up all the other weapons to account for lethality spikes that occur in specific situations, then our TTK (time to kill) would get faster with every patch. It is important to us to keep TTK values such that your arsenal feels lethal, but also both allows for some drama while you fight, and creates opportunities for counter-play when you’re being attacked. One of the great things about working on this game is how players continually change our understanding of how the game plays. We have an evolving tennis match of serves and returns. As always, we’ll be watching and listening. Keep the feedback coming. Your ball.

I'm up for a raid this weekend if anyone else is. 9 PM EST or later.

None of Carroll's explanations for that play make any sense to me. I know it's easy to second guess a call when you're not the one that had to make it at the time, but I think he outsmarted himself.

Does it matter? I think he's most likely random, but different items are probably weighted differently, which explains why some things come up more frequently.

If you read the update they explain that it's not a simple fix.

Sorry I didn't make it on. Stuff came up. You know how it is.

9 or later