Sennex 1,903 Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 So, Bungie posted to twitter that their patch notes and talking points for the last 4 weeks had a typo in them. What they actually meant to post for this weeks AR/Pulse Buff/Nerf was this: Auto Rifles Small increase to base damage Low RoF (Suros Regime, An Answering Chord): 0.3% increase from previous base damage Med RoF (Zhalo Supercell, Paleocontact JPK-43): 0.7% increase from previous base damage High RoF (Arminius-D, Necrochasm): 0.04% increase from previous base damage Pulse Rifles Reduced base damage Low RoF (The Messenger, Spare Change): 0.9% reduction from previous base damage Med RoF (Hawksaw, No Time To Explain, Red Death): 0.9% reduction from previous base damage High RoF (Bad Juju): 0.9% reduction from previous base damage Highest RoF (Grasp of Marok): 0.97% reduction from previous base damage Reduced damage falloff to start between Auto Rifle and Hand Cannon ranges A low range Pulse Rifle will have shorter damage falloff than an average Hand Cannon A high range Pulse Rifle will have farther damage falloff than an average Hand Cannon Increased base damage against AI combatants by roughly 5% This doesn't make sense on any level. Luke 23:34 'And Jesus said, "Father, forgive them, for they don't think it be like it is, but it do." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plumbers Crack 4,052 Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 I think I can confidently say I wouldn't be able to notice the difference....unless I'm missing something?? Thanks to Capn_Underpants for the artwork Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sennex 1,903 Posted December 10, 2015 Author Share Posted December 10, 2015 Not really sure how to explain percentages here but will try The actual game changes are not this straightforward, but here: If your pay is 100$ an hour Would you rather have a 4% increase in pay? or a 0.4% increase? 4% increase = 104$ an hour 0.4% increase = 100.40$ an hour Which one would you end up noticing? If you want actual math breakdowns, I can provide them based off of what others have already compiled EDIT: this isn't the first time they have done this, anyone remember the Vex Mythoclast issue from last year? "Gonna nerf the Vex by 34%" ~Patch comes out, Vex nerfed by 50%~ Luke 23:34 'And Jesus said, "Father, forgive them, for they don't think it be like it is, but it do." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyberninja2601 1,105 Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 If those are the changes: Small increase to base damage Low RoF (Suros Regime, An Answering Chord): 0.3% increase from previous base damage Med RoF (Zhalo Supercell, Paleocontact JPK-43): 0.7% increase from previous base damage High RoF (Arminius-D, Necrochasm): 0.04% increase from previous base damag Why even bother .04% is really not going to be noticeable. I doubt people would notice 0.3 or 0.7% also on video game. I think that's perhaps what Dave meant. I notice the math, however from a piratical perspective I doubt I would notice anything while playing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sennex 1,903 Posted December 10, 2015 Author Share Posted December 10, 2015 That is exactly the problem. The % was so small, it effectively netted a 0% increase. Which means, why even put it in the notes, or talk about it for 4 weeks? Luke 23:34 'And Jesus said, "Father, forgive them, for they don't think it be like it is, but it do." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plumbers Crack 4,052 Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 I think that's perhaps what Dave meant. I notice the math, however from a piratical perspective I doubt I would notice anything while playing Correct..perhaps I didn't make myself clear. Sorry guys Thanks to Capn_Underpants for the artwork Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The3rdWalker 1,264 Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 I vaguely remember "accidental" changes via Bungie that were eventually acknowledged by them and then never corrected. (Winters Run reset, Myhoclast 50% nerf rather than 34%) Let's be honest math is never this companie's strong suit. They still couldn't code to count kills on yellow minions towards grimoire , and certain ultras don't count as ultras like Omnigul and the Psion Flayers. I have no idea how to code but there's a theme with certain pieces of coding their team is God awful with. i7 7700k, 16GB RAM, GEFORCE 1080, 240GB SSHD, 2TB SSD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyberninja2601 1,105 Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 Maybe they had to learn Common core math Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JsinOwl 644 Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 I recall reading somewhere that the nerf to pulse rifles, specifically low RoF High Impact, was more like 19% when actually tested. If you decide to put your dick in crazy, be ready to change your phone number and relocate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sennex 1,903 Posted December 10, 2015 Author Share Posted December 10, 2015 If you can't do basic math -> Algebra 2, then you shouldn't be coding complex systems This really looks like another "Weapon Parts" situation EDIT: Don't get me wrong though, I am going to play regardless until I have the Y2 Hardlight! Luke 23:34 'And Jesus said, "Father, forgive them, for they don't think it be like it is, but it do." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sennex 1,903 Posted December 10, 2015 Author Share Posted December 10, 2015 Correct..perhaps I didn't make myself clear. Sorry guys If those are the changes: Small increase to base damage Low RoF (Suros Regime, An Answering Chord): 0.3% increase from previous base damage Med RoF (Zhalo Supercell, Paleocontact JPK-43): 0.7% increase from previous base damage High RoF (Arminius-D, Necrochasm): 0.04% increase from previous base damag Why even bother .04% is really not going to be noticeable. I doubt people would notice 0.3 or 0.7% also on video game. I think that's perhaps what Dave meant. I notice the math, however from a piratical perspective I doubt I would notice anything while playing I missed that completely. Sorry, I work all day with PHD's and MA level folks that can't even figure out how to use their mouse. It clouds my judgement and I tend to assume what others mean based off what these jackasses I work with mean. Luke 23:34 'And Jesus said, "Father, forgive them, for they don't think it be like it is, but it do." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyberninja2601 1,105 Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 I missed that completely. Sorry, I work all day with PHD's and MA level folks that can't even figure out how to use their mouse. It clouds my judgement and I tend to assume what others mean based off what these jackasses I work with mean. Well they must be mechanical engineering PhDs rather than electrical then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sennex 1,903 Posted December 10, 2015 Author Share Posted December 10, 2015 Well they must be mechanical engineering PhDs rather than electrical then Worse, they are professors Luke 23:34 'And Jesus said, "Father, forgive them, for they don't think it be like it is, but it do." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyberninja2601 1,105 Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 Worse, they are professors Ouch, those are the worst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The3rdWalker 1,264 Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 I remember in high school we had 4 guidance counselors and one of them a massive cunt. She had a Ph.D. And anyone that called her Mrs. Roy got an earful about how you need to address her Dr. Roy. I've ran into 3 teachers all with the same mindset, sorry Dr. Velazquez but your teaching Western Civ to college freshmen not neuroscience. i7 7700k, 16GB RAM, GEFORCE 1080, 240GB SSHD, 2TB SSD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyberninja2601 1,105 Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 Well, I have one in electrical Engineering. I typically don't make a big deal out of it or rarely use it. However, if you earned the degree, you are entitle to the the title if you want it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sennex 1,903 Posted December 10, 2015 Author Share Posted December 10, 2015 There are a few PHD's at work that I call Dr. <insert first name here>, they are typically humble, and deserve the title Most of them have these huge inflated ego's, so I call them purely by their first name, or even the wrong name entirely. The key to it all is in how you treat me and those around me on a day to day basis. If you are a raging twat, then you get called the wrong name to reinforce that you ain't nothing special. IT is very much a situation like this: Luke 23:34 'And Jesus said, "Father, forgive them, for they don't think it be like it is, but it do." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
techno 3,491 Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sennex 1,903 Posted December 11, 2015 Author Share Posted December 11, 2015 So they changed the numbers again.Auto Rifles Small increase to base damage Low RoF (Suros Regime, An Answering Chord): 0.30% increase from previous base damage Med RoF (Zhalo Supercell, Paleocontact JPK-43): 0.78% increase from previous base damage High RoF (Arminius-D, Necrochasm): 0.04% increase from previous base damage Pulse Rifles Reduced base damage Low RoF (The Messenger, Spare Change): 14.23% base damage reduction Med RoF (Hawksaw, No Time To Explain, Red Death): 10.69% base damage reduction High RoF (Bad Juju): 8.17% base damage reduction Highest RoF (Grasp of Marok): 2.97% base damage reduction **This is Deej's explanation** What is the point of increasing damage if the numbers don't go up? The damage numbers you see in game are not the raw base numbers we work with. The number shown at a damage event gets scaled by a lot of factors (activity, target, Light level, difficulty, precision, damage type, etc.) and then displayed to the player in combat as rounded whole numbers with a clean UI presentation. A small adjustment to an Auto Rifle may not be enough to change the displayed number, but (THIS IS A HYPOTHETICAL EXAMPLE) if your base damage changed from 20 to 20.2, and then you fired that damage value every other frame (at 30 fps) over the duration of a 50 round magazine, you're actually getting a change in DPS even though the base number still reports as 20 in the UI. ** Thats right fella's, your Frame rate helps decide your damage now! Also, all of us are to dumb to understand math. Luke 23:34 'And Jesus said, "Father, forgive them, for they don't think it be like it is, but it do." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The3rdWalker 1,264 Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 Yeah I was blown away with their comments this week. Honestly saying out out, "Oh fuck you guys!" This team is a shit show. i7 7700k, 16GB RAM, GEFORCE 1080, 240GB SSHD, 2TB SSD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sennex 1,903 Posted December 11, 2015 Author Share Posted December 11, 2015 It makes me wonder, did the good devs get bumped to Destiny 2, and we got the interns from now on? That tactic was pretty typical of Blizzard for WoW, I just don't have enough experience with Bungie to know if they do the same crap Luke 23:34 'And Jesus said, "Father, forgive them, for they don't think it be like it is, but it do." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baabcat 1,645 Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 I would guess that is exactly right. No more DLC means all the good guys are on D2 and the receptionist is coding for Destiny now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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