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Hello! I'm looking for an upgrade. Honestly, anything that I get will be an upgrade because the laptop that i'm using right now is like 7-8 years old. I was looking at these two computers and I was wondering which one is better? They're both HPs which are the kind of laptops I like. I just want to be able to keep playing some LoL here and there and MAYBE some WoW. Is it possible on these computers? Thanks guys!! EDIT: Oh and the Pavilion is a touchscreen, which i'm not too interested in, but I feel like this is the way technology is going nowadays so i'm not too bothered by it. Do any of you guys have touchscreen laptops? What do you guys think of them? HP Pavilion 17 Operating System: Windows 8.1 Processor & Memory: AMD Elite Quad Core A8-5550M Accelerated Processor (2.1GHz) up to 3.1GHz; 6GB Memory Storage & Optical Drive: 750GB Hard Drive with HP ProtectSmart; Up to 25GB Cloud Storage from Box; SuperMulti DVD Burner Display & Design: 17.3" HD BrightView LED-backlit Display; Anodized Silver Finish; Measures 16.5"W x 10.5"D x 1.21"H; Weighs 7.74 lbs. Video/Graphics: AMD Radeon HD 8550G Graphics Audio/Speakers: Integrated Speakers; DTS Sound+ Audio Technology Includes: HP TrueVision HD Webcam; Integrated Digital Microphone; Full-size Keyboard with numeric keypad; HP SimplePass Battery & Connectivity: Up to 6 hours of portable battery life; WiFi I/O Ports: 1 HDMI; 2 SuperSpeed USB 3.0 Ports; 1 USB 2.0 Port; VGA; 1 Headphone Output/Microphone Input Combo Jack ENERGY STAR Qualified: Yes HP Envy 17 Operating System: Windows 8.1 Processor & Memory: Intel i7-4700MQ Quad Core Processor (2.4GHz) with Turbo Boost up to 3.4GHz; 12GB Memory Storage & Optical Drive: 1TB Hard Drive with HP ProtectSmart Hard Drive Protection; Up to 50GB Cloud Storage from Box; SuperMulti DVD Burner Display & Design: 17.3" HD BrightView LED-Backlit Display; Glass Fiber with Natural Silver Finish; Measures 16.38"W x 10.8"D x 1.21"H; Weighs 6.17 lbs. Video/Graphics: Intel HD Graphics 4600 Audio/Speakers: Integrated Beats Audio Quad Speakers and 2 Subwoofers Includes: TrueVision HD Webcam with Integrated Dual Array Microphone and Noise Cancellation; Keyboard with numeric keypad; HP SimplePass Battery & Connectivity: Up to 5.25 hours of portable battery life; WiFi; WiDi; Intel Smart Connect Technology I/O Ports: 1 HDMI; 4 SuperSpeed USB 3.0 Ports; RJ-45; Headphone-Out/Microphone-In Combo Jack ENERGY STAR Qualified: Yes

I'm going to ask all of my noob questions here. If you've got some of your own, feel free to ask away. We can use this thread to ask and answer noob pc questions. So... I've been playing Crysis 2. Solid game. Never played the first, but I'm having fun with this one. I had everything maxed out. Ran perfectly smooth. But just shut off out of no where. Play a second time, just a bit ago, and turned Anti-A off and turned it down to High instead of Ultra or whatever the first step down from Ultra is. It played perfectly smooth still, but then shut down again. What could it be?