The Story of Thorn and Dredgen Yor

[Sennex 1,903]

 

 

So to give a little Backstory on Dredgen Yor he was one of the most notorious Gunfighters that existed in Destiny. He held what was believed to be one of the Infamous "Weapons of Sorrow". Thorn is known only through hearsay and Folklore, its power is to be feared and thought to be a curse. Weapons of Sorrow are thought to be modified by Hive Arcana and are capable of influencing Guardians. The Weapons of Sorrow were believed to be nothing more than a myth. But even the darkest myths are born of some truths. Another Example of a Weapon of Sorrow is the Necrochasm. Any Guardian who comes across the weapon must ask some very simple questions with endlessly complicated answers: Is your Light bright enough to stand, even briefly, in full gaze of the Hive's abyss? Can it handle what has died and been reborn in those shadows?

 

In the Crucible there was a known Champion, a Titan thought to be Invincible, Thalor. Titan marks are made to honor Individuals and Events that Stand out in History. His skill was great enough that a Titan mark was made to Honor abilities. Thalors Golden Maul. Until the Day the Invincible Titan crossed paths with Dredgen Yor and His Thorn. Thalor and Yor's battle in the Crucible was on an Epic Scale. So much so that their battle Earned its own mark, The mark of Contention. Its believed that Thorn drained the Light from Thalor, Killing him. If this is in fact true then Thalor joins a long list of names that Dredgen Yor killed.

 

There are records of Yor and interactions that this Guardian had. But the records are not so easy to Translate. The records have been Tampered with and have had information redacted and censored. The first time I went into the Transcripts It confused me. All the names but no one listed as speaking. It list locations and Items as well but one is redacted. This newly discovered transcript is between 1 ghost type, designation redacted, and 1 Guardian Type that has had its class redacted.

[u.1:0.1] You were not always this man.

[u.2:0.1] True.

[u.1:0.2] Then the math says you do not need to remain this man. You can be other.

[u.2:0.2] I am other.

[u.1:0.3] You can be better.

[u.2:0.3] This is better.

[u.1:0.4] That matter, at best, is subjective.

[u.2:0.4] Then what? Lesser.

[u.1:0.5] Some would say.

[u.2:0.5] But what would you say? [silence] [u.2:0.6] All we’ve seen and now, here with me, you have no words.

[u.1:0.6] I have words.

[u.2:0.7] But…?

[u.1:0.7] But you will not like them.

[u.2:0.8] There is much I do not like.

[u.1:0.8] More now than ever it would seem.

[u.2:0.9] Heh.

[u.1:0.9] I find no laughing matter in your path.

[u.2:1.0] Only in the journey.

[u.1:1.0] What brought you here was nobility.

[u.2:1.1] And my prize.

[u.1:1.1] That is no prize.

[u.2:1.2] A curse then?

[u.1:1.2] I would say.

[u.2:1.3] And I would disagree.

[u.1:1.3] You are no longer yourself.

[u.2:1.4] I am myself. It’s who I was that’s gone.

[u.1:1.4] Who you were held all the value.

[u.2:1.5] To you.

[u.1:1.5] To the Light.

[u.2:1.6] The Light…

[u.1:1.6] It is all.

[u.2:1.7] It is nothing but a crutch.

[u.1:1.7] One that has held you up.

[u.2:1.8] Only just. And nothing more.

[u.1:1.8] Nothing more? You were a hero.

[u.2:1.9] And yet people still die. Corruption still exists. Light still fades. And Darkness still spreads.

[u.1:1.9] As it will ever be, that doesn’t mean you give in to…

[u.2:2.0] To what? Hope.*

[u.1:2.0] This is not hope.

[u.2:2.1] This is peace.

[u.1:2.1] You have blood on your hands.

[u.2:2.2] How’s that any different than prior?

[u.1:2.2] Innocent blood.

[u.2:2.3] Thats a Matter of perspective.

[u.1:2.3] That’s the shadow talking.

[u.2:2.4] And am I not.

[u.1:2.4] The shadow?

[u.2:2.5] Ya know… These past cycles, you’ve made an honorable effort. Tried your best to correct my course. But I don’t know it needs correcting.

[u.1:2.5] And if it does?

[u.2:2.6] Could be too late.

[u.1:2.6] ‘Could be’ is a winding path.

[u.2:2.7] Long way from where I was to where I’m going.

[u.1:2.7] That is my hope. That there is still time.

[u.2:2.8] For?

[u.1:2.8] Corrective measures. The righting of our path. The cleansing of your shadow and a return to the Light.

[silence] [u.2:2.9] Why’d you pick me?

[u.1:2.9] It doesn’t work that way.

[u.2:3.0] Was I special?

[u.1:3.0] You were.

[u.2:3.1] But only as special as any other.

[u.1:3.1] You are all special.

[u.2:3.2] Seems to contradict the word don’t it.

[u.1:3.2] Not in my estimation.

[u.2:3.3] If we’re all special, are any of us special?

[u.1:3.3] Is that what you want? To be special?

[u.2:3.4] Heh.

[u.1:3.4] You dismiss, but it’s a very serious questions. Is that all you’re after? Is all of the death worth that badge?

[u.2:3.5] Am I not already more than the rest?

[u.1:3.5] Looking at you here, now. The smoke, ash and bone at your feet mark you as so much less.

[u.2:3.6] Maybe. And yet here you are.

[u.1:3.6] Meaning?

[u.2:3.7] You have been at my side every step of the way.

[u.1:3.7] Where else would I be?

[u.2:3.8] Yet you disagree so thoroughly with my change in, perspective.

[u.1:3.8] If only the change was simply one of perspective. You’re “evolution” was no choice. This is not you having come to an understanding after careful considered thought. This is corruption.

[u.2:3.9] The shadows?

[u.1:3.9] The Darkness.

[u.2:4.0] Maybe so.

[u.1:4.0] There is no maybe here.

[u.2:4.1] And you think you can save me?

[u.1:4.1] I rekindled your Light, it falls first to me to aid in its survival.

[silence] [u.2:4.2] I tire of it.

[u.1:4.2] You must try…

[u.2:4.3] I tire of you.

[u.1:4.3] [REDACTED]…

[u.2:4.4] That is no longer my name.

[u.1:4.4] I will not speak the other.

[u.2:4.5] It doesn’t matter. This is where we part ways.

[u.1:4.5] I will not leave you.

[u.2:4.6] I am leaving you.

[u.1:4.6] Without me, your journey ahead will be more than any one Guardian can handle.

[u.2:4.7] That’s the point. It’s been sometime since you saw me as worthy of walking among those I once called brother and sister. Yet… anymore, I feel as though I am worthy of so much more.

[u.1:4.7] Without me… You will die.

[u.2:4.8] Someday. Won’t be the first time. [silence] [u.2:4.9] Consider this my last good deed. I am releasing you of the burden of my deeds, both done and yet to come.

[u.1:4.8] I will not abandon you.

[u.2:5.0] You will. Or I will carve the Light from your shell and leave the carcass of my first and last friend in the dirt of this dull, red world for no one to find.

[u.1:4.9] Then I’ve failed you, completely.

[u.2:5.1] Not me. Maybe the man I was.

[u.1:5.0] He is truly dead.

[u.2:5.2] I believe so.

[u.1:5.1] Belief is not fact.

[u.2:5.3] Semantics I no longer have the patience for. [silence] [u.2:5.4] When you speak of me, use my proper name. Tell them of the man that stands before you, not the ghost of the hero I once was.

[u.1:5.2] You will always be [REDACTED] to me.

[u.2:5.5] If you cannot let that man go, you will forever taint his legacy. All the good I have ever done will be washed away in the fire of who I have become.

[u.1:5.3] If you care, there is still some promise within you.

[u.2:5.6] If I am being honest, I care only to give hope to the frightened, huddled masses so that when I come upon them they will have more to lose. Their pain will be greater. Their screams more pure.

[u.1:5.4] You…

[u.2:5.7] Nothing dies like hope. I cherish it.

[u.1:5.5] You’re a monster.

[u.2:5.8] Finally, you see the truth.

[u.1:5.6] [REDACTED] is truly dead.

[u.2:5.9] So I’ve said. Long live Dredgen Yor.

[u.1:5.7] This is farewell, but you can only run from your sins so far. In the end, you will die alone.

[u.2:6.0] Maybe so. But I gotta tell ya… I tend to like my odds.

[u.1:5.8] Your tainted “Rose” will not always save you.

[u.2:6.1] Old friend… It already has.

 

For a long time I have held the theory that Jaren Ward and Dredgen Yor were the same Guardian. There are a few interesting similarities. In my Death of Jaren Ward video the Narrator, who I believe is Shin Malphur, says that Jaren's ghost speaks but only with Jaren and that the ghost is wary and guarded.

 

Secondly, they hide the original name of Dredgen Yor. Why? To preserve the name of good guardian he was before the Shadows took hold of him. Is that Redacted Name Jaren Ward? One Idea I had was that this may be the instance that the Ghost returned to Shin Malphur after leaving Dredgen to himself.

 

Now lets look at a few other details that would argue against them being the same person. Dredgen says he would carve the light from the ghost shell and leave him on this Red World. Is this a reference to Mars? If it is then this is the first reference. Looking back at the Arms and Armament book it list the names of planets Earth, Mercury, Venus, and Mars. This may be that Tie in. Secondly, before this conversation takes place, smoke ash and Bones lay at Dredgens feet. He has just burned something recently. Possibly the Town of Pallamon, or Possibly victims on a crucible map on Mars which would make more sense.

 

So what are your Ideas? I've always liked the theory that Ward and Yor were the same man. Looking at the details of this part make me think there is still alot yet to be discovered and they may indeed be different people. One thing is certain, no matter which way you think this one of the best Stories in Destiny.

[Sennex 1,903]

Because of this, I think one of my Destiny Bucket List items will be to get the Last Word

[Noct 68]

I've always loved this story.

Just really nice to delve into the lore through the grimoire and whatnot.

I'd reccommend looking up Sir Wallen on youtube for that.