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Rare time that I agree with Phil on politics..they are all a disgrace this time around (but when has that ever changed?)

As far as I see it:

Tories are sheer incompetence and a lingering out of touch elitism that they have done nothing to bring their party into 2019. They are also conservative in name only.

Labour have utterly abandoned the working class with their pandering to perpetually offended middle class Londoners and fanciful spending plans to usher in the Utopia.

Lib dems...lol....I mean they have already had to resort to lying in their election pamphlets and are an irrlevancy.

Greens, the watermelon party..green on the outside and Red under the surface.

UKIP are pretty much done seeing as they were all about Farage. I am highly sceptical of the EU in general these days but I am even more so as to what the actual plans of Farage would be for the UK.

SNP...sigh, "gee'as a break Nicola".


If this is the best the UK has to offer well...we are fucked.

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Just saying this so I can argue with Adam and restore the natural balance.

 

I live in a Labour ward so I can keep my silly no voting status but must admit that if it was a marginal constituency I would probably vote for the first time in my life. And I would vote labour.

 

Right now in the uptopia v evil empire stakes, I’ll go with utopia.

 

Still hate labour for many reasons but the evil empire has had 9 years of fucking up the country and the other lot deserve their chance to do the same.

 

Plus

“A map of the world that does not include Utopia is not worth even glancing at, for it leaves out the one country at which Humanity is always landing. And when Humanity lands there, it looks out, and, seeing a better country, sets sail. Progress is the realisation of Utopias.”

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Is it me or are the SNP the ugliest, most miserable and toxic bunch of clowns imaginable? Cancer could be cured yet Sturgeon would be enraged! 

 

The Lib Dems call themselves democratic yet their main policy is to ignore 17m people right off the bat and overturn something they ALL agreed to honoring. They only became relevant again as a protest vote against Corbyn. 

 

Labour is in cookoo land under Corbyn. He's a fence sitter and only tells people what they want to hear and what people in his party tell him to do. He hates the EU, he hates the military, he hates Israel and jews yet he is quite compassionate to terrorists. His plans will nuke the economy, alienate investors, dismantle the country and then the people will have to pay for it on more than one level. He will never disclose his true Brexit position and him in any form of power would be damaging for decades to come.  Diane Abbott as home secretary? LMAO! 

 

Tories are a total mess and cannot be trusted. Their plans are very limited and only paper over a fraction of cracks. Normal people will continue to see local services strained and the cost of living skyrocket.  So many shady fucks in the party too. 

 

The Brexit Party probably wont have much of an impact and their position is far too weak and although I don't agree with a lot of their sentiments, It's nice to see them fucking up those ignorant EU bureaucrats in Brussels. 

 

Bottom line, the UK is pretty fucked either way. 

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I dislike Corbyn for a number of reasons but he doesn't hate Jews, don't fall for that bullshit James. I disagree with some of your other labour comments but please let's stick to facts. We're not politicians.

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I dislike Corbyn for a number of reasons but he doesn't hate Jews, don't fall for that bullshit James. I disagree with some of your other labour comments but please let's stick to facts. We're not politicians.

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I dont think he personally hates jews but there are people around him and a vocal minority of his supporters that definitely do.

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I dont think he personally hates jews but there are people around him and a vocal minority of his supporters that definitely do.

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I'd say those people hate Zionists. It's not the same thing. And that's also not a bad thing, so long as you're consistent and hate all nationalistic ideologies. Just picking on Israel and no one else does point to anti semitism and I agree some ppl are guilty of that.

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12 minutes ago, phil bottle said:

I dislike Corbyn for a number of reasons but he doesn't hate Jews, don't fall for that bullshit James. I disagree with some of your other labour comments but please let's stick to facts. We're not politicians.

I think he does behind closed doors and he's been to enough savage anti-Israeli demonstrations over the years before becoming an MP. A lot of this has been swept under the carpet by the media though and with more and more members of his party getting directly implicated in their own anti-semetic behavior, he can swerve any involvement, It took him a good 18 months and much probing just to publicly denounce the behaviour of his members involved in this and even that seemed highly disingenuous, Now such apologies are becoming second nature to him.  

 

Allegations like this don't materialise out of nowhere and it was only a couple of years ago he claimed Labour had absolutely no anti-semitic members or recorded incidents and then it all snowballed and over 20 were recorded. 

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I think he does behind closed doors and he's been to enough savage anti-Israeli demonstrations over the years before becoming an MP. A lot of this has been swept under the carpet by the media though and with more and more members of his party getting directly implicated in their own anti-semetic behavior, he can swerve any involvement, It took him a good 18 months and much probing just to publicly denounce the behaviour of his members involved in this and even that seemed highly disingenuous, Now such apologies are becoming second nature to him.  
 
Allegations like this don't materialise out of nowhere and it was only a couple of years ago he claimed Labour had absolutely no anti-semitic members or recorded incidents and then it all snowballed and over 20 were recorded. 
You said he hates Jews, all you've done to back that up is....fuck all.

Insinuations, weak at best, and I'm sad you've been sucked in so easily.

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1 hour ago, phil bottle said:

You said he hates Jews, all you've done to back that up is....fuck all.

Insinuations, weak at best, and I'm sad you've been sucked in so easily.

I can't back it up concrete but one day it will all come out as it always does. Far more credible than the generic Boris Johnson is a Nazi nonsense. There has been enough people in his party past and present who have raised serious concerns about his views towards certain minorities and I trust them especially when they have very little to gain. As we've seen for the past few decades, it's always these claims which turn out to be the only honest aspect of politics in the long run.  

 

The labour party was very clean from this sort of behaviour until he took office and everyone who has been embroiled in this has been people he's employed or drafted into his prospective cabinet. Any normal leader wouldn't need to be told to denounce such views and not say anything public for 18 months against it. That alone tells me he either supports such a view or he just doesn't care - either way, not the person I would want running the country. 

 

I used to really like labour and everything they stood for but now it's gone beyond the extreme. Hypocritical, toxic and totally unrealistic.

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So you said he hates Jews and still have nothing to offer in support of that.

 

We can return to the topic "when it all comes out" 😉

 

I personally think this comes from right wing people shitting themselves at the thought of any kind of socialism...

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Just now, phil bottle said:

So you said he hates Jews and still have nothing to offer in support of that.

 

We can return to the topic "when it all comes out" 😉

 

I personally think this comes from right wing people shitting themselves at the thought of any kind of socialism...

Being weary of Corbyn doesn't make people right wing. That's one of the biggest problems in politics now = don't agree with someone = YOU'RE A NAZI HITLER FAN. Even longstanding labour supporters and party employees current and former simply don't like him and what he's turned the party into.  It was only 3 years ago he lost a monumental no confidence vote by something like 130 votes and refused to resign and because they had no other candidates to challenge, he retained his position. 

 

I think the majority of people would vote for labour if he wasn't in charge and expectations were in check. The Tories are at their weakest point and in a shameful state so someone like labour should waltz into power but having someone too far left and with his fantasy polices is not ideal especially for the economy.

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Being weary of Corbyn doesn't make people right wing. That's one of the biggest problems in politics now = don't agree with someone = YOU'RE A NAZI HITLER FAN. Even longstanding labour supporters and party employees current and former simply don't like him and what he's turned the party into.  It was only 3 years ago he lost a monumental no confidence vote by something like 130 votes and refused to resign and because they had no other candidates to challenge, he retained his position. 
 
I think the majority of people would vote for labour if he wasn't in charge and expectations were in check. The Tories are at their weakest point and in a shameful state so someone like labour should waltz into power but having someone too far left and with his fantasy polices is not ideal especially for the economy.
Nobod here is calling anyone a nazi. No one is saying that disliking Corbyn means you're right wing. That's a very bad take James. Its reactionary and lacking any basis in reality. This ain't Twitter mate so don't reply to me with disingenuous shit like that.

You stated the guy hates Jews. Maybe you have the problem you're talking about.




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6 minutes ago, Dr Diamond said:
>Nobody here is calling anyone a nazi
>maybe it's you that has the problem with jews


Lmao Phil ahahahaha

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Oi!

I was referring to misrepresenting facts you twat 🙂

 

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These TV debates are also completely ridiculous and we should not be mirroring the US.

I'd rather see the party leaders and senior figures be interviewed, uninterrupted for a solid 2-3h to really unpack what their views are.

After about 10 minutes it should become clear whether an MP has a clue what they are talking about or whether they are going to try and repeat their talking points ad nauseam.

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These TV debates are also completely ridiculous and we should not be mirroring the US.

I'd rather see the party leaders and senior figures be interviewed, uninterrupted for a solid 2-3h to really unpack what their views are.

After about 10 minutes it should become clear whether an MP has a clue what they are talking about or whether they are going to try and repeat their talking points ad nauseam.

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We agree, anazeballs.

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9 minutes ago, phil bottle said:

Nobod here is calling anyone a nazi. No one is saying that disliking Corbyn means you're right wing. That's a very bad take James. Its reactionary and lacking any basis in reality. This ain't Twitter mate so don't reply to me with disingenuous shit like that.

You stated the guy hates Jews. Maybe you have the problem you're talking about.

You said you 'personally think this (anti-semitism) comes from right wing people who shitting themselves about the thought of socialism' but this clearly isn't the case especially when this is a recognised issue within the party itself and has been for years. It's nothing to do with socialism or what the party stands for - a lot of people simply don't want that type of leader representing their country and 170+ didn't want that 3 years ago. 

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You said you 'personally think this (anti-semitism) comes from right wing people who shitting themselves about the thought of socialism' but this clearly isn't the case especially when this is a recognised issue within the party itself and has been for years. It's nothing to do with socialism or what the party stands for - a lot of people simply don't want that type of leader representing their country and 170+ didn't want that 3 years ago. 
You misunderstand. Accusations against Corbyn are from the right ime. capitalist press was my point.

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I’m fortunate enough to live in Salisbury constituency which has Stonehenge in it, so last time around I got to vote for King Arthur Pendragon , Leader of the Druids. 
 

I know Monty Python would disagree :

Oh, but you can't expect to wield supreme executive power just 
because some watery tart threw a sword at you! 
 

But fuck it, I used to love near Hartlepool who voted a Monkey Mascot for mayor and he did a pretty good job! Go Druids!

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